More on Series
Bev left a truly interesting response in comments section for Bitch Kitty Rant: Seried Out, so I'm moving it up to here:
For the most part I tend to like connected books in romance but I also say that knowing full well that the romance genre (and therefore its authors) seems to having problems nowadays deciding what types of connected books they're doing. Or they attempt to do something that really doesn't work for the story or stories they're telling then wonder why readers start rebelling. Logically, there are basically three ways to connect books: 1) story arcs - these can but not always involve the same characters, HAVE to be sequential and are mainstays of science fiction & fantasy 2) episodic series - these almost always use the same primary character or character, don't have to be sequential and are the mainstay of mystery and suspense 3) universe spin-offs - these involve creating or using an existing "world" wherein multiple stories can happen that aren't necessarily sequential but can be in certain circumstances If there's another way, I haven't figured it out yet but it is important to remember these three approaches and not lump all connected groups into the same basket. Thing is that romance used to do universe spin-offs almost exclusively, whether we're talking about single titles or category books. And it worked because spin-offs within the same universe and different couples featured in each book go hand-in-hand. I still have absolutely no problem reading an infinite number of these because the stories don't have to be read in any order. Besides that, the author, and therefore the reader, can leave and come back to the universe created, whether it's historical, contemporary, futuristic or even alternate reality, any time they want. The problem nowadays seems to be that authors want to connect a lot of their books in one or both of the other ways, too, and yet expect readers to buy that the individual books can still stand completely alone. That's just ridiculous. The only time multiple book story arcs have worked for me in romances is when the "series" is limited to a specific number of books AND the overall arc is IMPORTANT to the stories being told rather than just there to tie things together. Marginalizing the overall arc only emphasizes how much the readers are being strung along when we're talking about a lot of books. Trilogies work exceptionally well, but I can stretch my patience to five or six IF the universe is also an interesting place to be. Same thing with episodics, more or less. I love mysteries so using the same characters can also work for me but, again the problem is that romance authors seem to want to layer in an overall story arc instead of sticking to a true episodic type story. So, keeping things to a limited number of installments applies even more. After about three books about the same romantic couple trying to reach their happily ever after, I really lose patience. The point is to ask yourself what it really is that you got tired of in any particular connected romance series. I'd be willing to bet it isn't the universe or even the individual stories but waiting and waiting AND waiting for that blasted overall story arc to play out one way or another. Okay, I think I'll shut up now and go curl up with a book. (G)I hadn't realised, until I read Bev's response, exactly why I'm tired of series in romance genre. I think she pointpointed one issue for me: lack of a long arc in a series. I always feel that a book series has to have a purpose, so I'd buy each book in a series to read them in order and when I find that there isn't a real purpose, I get pissed off. That's just one issue among many. Anyhow, thanks, Bev, for making time to write your response. Be good, be bad & be safe.
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I tell ya, Bev always knocks it out of the park.
It's the overall story arcing that makes me crazy. I ended up becoming so enthralled in one couple's story that when it was finally told I thought, nah, that's not right!
Stand alone books within a series I guess haven't played me out. Like books connected by family.
Funny how I mention I don't like the over arcing story and I'm all up in JR Ward. I'm not sure if you *have* to read them in order yet (because there is only two) but, I think you could read the two that are already out and be okay. Still, I think I'm creating a monster again. Ugh.
Apparently I find story arcs too unforgiving. It would put a lot of pressure on an author to do the story justice.
Man, I do go on!
CindyS
3/11/2006 09:52:00 pm
You're welcome, Maili. (VBG)
One of these days I'm going to get back to my own blog and some email responses I need to do, but for now I think I'm stuck in fly-by comment mode and that very sporadically, at that. It comes from being out all day yesterday running errands and then doing the couch potato thing today from sheer exhaustion, I think. (G)
Anyway, something Maili said triggered another thought. Or maybe a clarification.
"I always feel that a book series has to have a purpose, so I'd buy each book in a series to read them in order and when I find that there isn't a real purpose, I get pissed off."
I tend to think where romance as a genre got sidetracked on this issue was when authors started doing "planned" or "titled" series, not simply true spin-offs that can happen almost organically over time, i.e. an author creates a "universe" in one book then realizes at some later day that she wants to do another story utilizing it again. That is a TRUE spin-off.
Don't get me wrong, spin-offs can be planned ahead. Category romance publishers use this concept all the time. If fact they probably invented it. They are experts on doing it too. Books in this type of series don't need a joint purpose because they are true stand-alones for the most part.
The problem in romance is that what we are getting in a lot of those other supposedly planned and pre-titled series aren't spin-offs that do stand alone or multi-book IMPORTANT story arcs but some weird combination of spin-offs with WEAK story arcs. When that happens, I definitely agree with what Maili is saying. What is the storytelling point of having that thin of a story spread over all those books? (Other than selling books that is but I refuse to go there. (G))
Now I think I'll shut up again and possibly save my steam for a blog post about what series I personally believe work and don't work in each type I mentioned earlier. It might surprise some of you what I believe works and what doesn't. And why.
3/12/2006 01:54:00 am
I look forward to it!!
CindyS
3/12/2006 04:45:00 am
...I think she pointpointed one issue for me: lack of a long arc in a series.
Bev mentions this is popular in science fiction and fantasy, But don't authors of these genres ultimately have a different goal. Maybe I'm wrong, but for sci fi and fantasy the authors are working toward some sort of other world building, but in romance it's each couple's HEA. In scale individual HEA may not compare to the building of a peace in a different universe.
3/12/2006 01:42:00 pm
"In scale individual HEA may not compare to the building of a peace in a different universe."
Which is exactly what I mean by weak, Tara Marie. It's very difficult to tie separate romances together with something "big" enough on the level that science fiction or fantasy does. That's not to say it can't be done or that some romance authors haven't managed it. What's noticeable is that when it seems to work for me, the author has consciously limited the number of books, i.e. they really have planned ahead well and kept the size of the overall story arc realistic in proportion to the number of books they're using to tell it.
This is opposed to proclaiming that they've planned ahead and know where they're going but instead end up actually doing one spin-off after another with a weak overall thread tying them all together. That is NOT a strong story arc but neither is it simply a single universe filled with true stand alone spin-offs.
3/12/2006 03:54:00 pm
Bev,
It's very difficult to tie separate romances together with something "big" enough on the level that science fiction or fantasy does.
I'm wondering how realistic it is to expect this. I'm the first to admit I expect it in some series and yet others seem to be able to carry a long story arc with little more than a family relationship, brothers, sister, cousins etc...
3/12/2006 06:25:00 pm
"I'm wondering how realistic it is to expect this. I'm the first to admit I expect it in some series and yet others seem to be able to carry a long story arc with little more than a family relationship, brothers, sister, cousins etc..."
Personally, I don't think it is very realistic to expect authors to string together a lot of individual romances, meaning more than say six, around a true story arc. Unless, maybe, they stick to one couple carrying the bulk of the story but then wouldn't we be getting back into "epic" territory? Plus I'm not sure whether that would even be published as romance in the long run.
I think that maybe this sums up my whole point nicely. It seems to me that lately romance authors are trying to use patterns for connecting books that work better for other genres without taking the demands of their own into account. And I'm not even saying that they shouldn't try, but that they should also acknowledge when it doesn't work so well. Sort of like knowing the rules so well one can break them the RIGHT way and get away with it. (G)
As to using little more than family relationships to tie books together, I question whether those are ever true story arcs but rather single universe spin-offs. Not saying they couldn't be. Just saying to not assume they are just because they're marketed that way because it's truly rare when they are true story arcs. And the question I'd ask in each case would be what the actual overall story arc goal is. If it can be identified then maybe it's a story arc and then we're left deciding whether it's really strong enough to carry more than that handful of books I keep harping on. If it can't be identified readily, then it's either way too weak or what we're really looking at are simply stand-alone spin-offs in the same universe.
I don't have time at the moment to list examples because I'm taking my children out to lunch but maybe when I get back I can start on a blog entry or two with examples so ya'll can tell me whether you agree or not. (BG)
3/12/2006 07:01:00 pm
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